Post by Amie on Jul 17, 2007 16:16:07 GMT -5
The Punisher (2004/unrated extended cut)
Actors: Thomas Jane, John Travolta, Roy Scheider, Rebecca Romijn, Laura Harring
Directed by: Jonathan Hensleigh
Genre: Action / Crime / Thriller
Released: 16 April 2004 (USA)
MPAA: Unrated version
Runtime: approx 140 minutes (extended)
IMDB link: www.imdb.com/title/tt0330793/
Total Movie Body Count (with Animated Introduction): 66**
Total Movie Body Count (without Animated Introduction): 57
Miscellaneous:
Mention of 2 UN peacekeepers killed**
Sniper by Castle/grenade, body not shown but heard**
Others shot by Castle, bodies not shown but heard**
News article mentioning more than 30 dead
Pier gas station, boat with money, building front blown up
Various cars wrecked and/or blown up
Total Jane / Frank Castle / Punisher Kills (with Animated Introduction): 29**
Total Jane / Frank Castle / Punisher Kills (without Animated Introduction): 25
Total Travolta / Howard Saint Kills (with or without Animated Introduction): 3
Movie breakdown:
Animated Introduction**
Man shot – 1
Mention of 2 UN peacekeepers killed – misc
1:53, 2:21 Soldiers shot by snipers – 2
2:36, 2:40, 2:42, 2:49 Snipers shot by Castle – 4
Sniper by Castle/grenade, body not shown but heard- misc
Others shot by Castle, bodies not shown but heard – misc
4:12 Prisoners by suicide/grenade – 1
4:12 Major by grenade - 1
Chapter total: 9**
Chapter 1: Dirty Deal
6:53 Russian mobster shot by police – 3
7:09 Bobby Saint shot - 1
Chapter total: 4
Chapter 3: Last One
Bodyguard shot by Howard Saint - 1
Chapter total: 1
Chapter 8: Party Crashers
30:12 Castle’s mother shot – 1
30:16, :18, :31, :34, :49, 31:17 (cutaway), 31:20 Family members shot – 10
30:34, 31:02, 33:08, :12 Bodies – 6
30:39 Thug shot by Castle – 1
31:38 Thug by Castle/exploding gas tank – 1
31:49 Bodies (not yet counted) – 3
32:25 Thug knifed in the back by Castle’s father – 1
Castle’s father shot - 1
35:43 Maria and Will Castle run over by truck - 2
Chapter total: 26
Chapter 10: Open Wounds
News article mentioning more than 30 dead - misc
Chapter 13: Restricted Access
Saint’s thugs shot by Castle - 2
Chapter total: 2
Chapter 17: Good Neighbors
Harry Heck by Castle/high speed knife – 1
Chapter total: 1
Chapter 18: Battle of Brawn
Russian by Castle/boiling oil/falls downstairs/neck broken - 1
Chapter total: 1
Chapter 20: One Good Turn
Saint’s thug by Castle/large paper cutter blade in skull - 1
Chapter total: 1
Chapter 22: Cheating Partner
Quentin Glass stabbed by Howard Saint – 1
Jim Weeks shoots himself - 1
Chapter total: 2
Chapter 23: Loyalty Issues
Livia Saint dropped from bridge by Howard Saint/ run over by train - 1
Chapter total: 1
Chapter 24: Pursuing Justice
1:58:51, 1:59:25 Thugs shot with arrows, by Castle – 2
2:00:28 Thug stabbed in neck by Castle – 1
2:00:36 Thug holding champagne bottle by Castle/antipersonnel mine – 1
(I only counted this guy dying from the bomb explosion because of sheer proximity. Many of the other thugs were able to get up after the explosion, so I just counted whatever bodies were shown in the following scenes along with Castle’s onscreen kills.)
2:00:52, :55, 2:01:24, :29, :36, :44 Thugs shot by Castle – 6
2:02:11 Thug by Castle/knife up through chin - 1
2:01:06, :11, :36 Bodies, by Castle - 3
Chapter total: 14
Chapter 25: Setting Traps
Thug by Castle/door bomb – 1
Thug shot by Castle - 1
2:03:49 Johnny Saint by Castle/antipersonnel mine (mortal hit) – 1
Howard Saint shot/burned by Castle - 1
Chapter total: 4
Character breakdown
Jane/ Castle / Punisher breakdown:
2:36, 2:40, 2:42, 2:49 Snipers shot by Castle – 4**
30:39 Thug shot by Castle – 1
31:38 Thug by Castle/exploding gas tank – 1
Saint’s thugs shot by Castle - 2
Harry Heck by Castle/high speed knife – 1
Russian by Castle/boiling oil/falls downstairs/neck broken – 1
Saint’s thug by Castle/large paper cutter blade in skull - 1
1:58:51, 1:59:25 Thugs shot with arrows, by Castle – 2
2:00:28 Thug stabbed in neck by Castle – 1
2:00:36 Thug holding champagne bottle by Castle/antipersonnel mine – 1
2:00:52, :55, 2:01:24, :29, :36, :44 Thugs shot by Castle – 6
2:02:11 Thug by Castle/knife up through chin - 1
2:01:06, :11, :36 Bodies, by Castle - 3
Thug by Castle/door bomb – 1
Thug shot by Castle - 1
2:03:49 Johnny Saint by Castle/antipersonnel mine (mortal hit) – 1
Howard Saint shot/burned by Castle - 1
Character total: with Animated Intro, 29**
Without Animated Intro, 25
Travolta/ Howard Saint breakdown:
Bodyguard shot by Howard Saint – 1
Quentin Glass stabbed by Howard Saint – 1
Livia Saint dropped from bridge by Howard Saint/ run over by train - 1
Character total: 3
**NOTE on the Animated Intro: I’m ambivalent about this scene.
Argument for NOT including it in bodycount:
1. Because one of the two “Play” options on the Main Menu is “Play Movie with Animated Intro” (the other one is the standard “Play Movie.”), one might argue that the extended feature film doesn’t necessarily include the Animated Intro.
2. It’s also not a typical animation, it’s actually a succession of extremely high-resolution (at least 30MP) still photographs of the actors themselves edited in Photoshop with a special filter to look like Tim Bradstreet's original cover artwork, voiced by the actors edited together to tell the story.
3. Although not specifically called a deleted scene, the Animated Intro is a separate feature under “Special Features.” A sort of special deleted scene.
On the other hand:
1. It is part of the movie if the first viewing option is chosen.
2. Also, there is no specific section under “Special Features” called “Deleted Scenes”, so one can argue the deleted scenes have been added back to the movie for the Extended version. The Animated Intro would then be considered not quite a deleted scene, it’s special enough to be featured separately under the “Special Features” menu AND to be included in playback under the main menu.
3. Lastly, even though the animation is unusual, it’s still a form of animation. In the Special Feature called Tour of Duty: The Making of the Extended Cut, this scene is described as a sort of stylized animatic.
I don’t know if I’m making any sense.
I’ve included two screenshots below. Personally I lean towards including it in the count, since this is an extended cut DVD. To me it would be rather odd to have a section called “deleted scenes” on an extended or director’s cut DVD. At least I don’t remember any on all the director’s and extended cuts DVDs that I own (I’ll have to check them again). I mean… what’s the point? It’s an extended cut. I thought the purpose of an extended cut was to include those deleted scenes that the director wanted to include in the first place. If there’s a section called “deleted scenes” on an extended DVD, then should I expect an extended cut of the extended version later? OK, I’m rambling. Sorry. 
I’m guessing they wanted to emphasize how special the Animated Introduction is and they wanted to draw attention to the fact that it’s been added to the extended version. I may be just making something out of nothing. So my vote would be to include it in the body count.
But you’re the boss, Jen, so I’m including a separate count for the Animated Intro and you can add it or not according to your discretion. I’ll also give two different total and character counts, one with Animated Intro, one without.
How would you guys vote?
Actors: Thomas Jane, John Travolta, Roy Scheider, Rebecca Romijn, Laura Harring
Directed by: Jonathan Hensleigh
Genre: Action / Crime / Thriller
Released: 16 April 2004 (USA)
MPAA: Unrated version
Runtime: approx 140 minutes (extended)
IMDB link: www.imdb.com/title/tt0330793/
Total Movie Body Count (with Animated Introduction): 66**
Total Movie Body Count (without Animated Introduction): 57
Miscellaneous:
Mention of 2 UN peacekeepers killed**
Sniper by Castle/grenade, body not shown but heard**
Others shot by Castle, bodies not shown but heard**
News article mentioning more than 30 dead
Pier gas station, boat with money, building front blown up
Various cars wrecked and/or blown up
Total Jane / Frank Castle / Punisher Kills (with Animated Introduction): 29**
Total Jane / Frank Castle / Punisher Kills (without Animated Introduction): 25
Total Travolta / Howard Saint Kills (with or without Animated Introduction): 3
Movie breakdown:
Animated Introduction**
Man shot – 1
Mention of 2 UN peacekeepers killed – misc
1:53, 2:21 Soldiers shot by snipers – 2
2:36, 2:40, 2:42, 2:49 Snipers shot by Castle – 4
Sniper by Castle/grenade, body not shown but heard- misc
Others shot by Castle, bodies not shown but heard – misc
4:12 Prisoners by suicide/grenade – 1
4:12 Major by grenade - 1
Chapter total: 9**
Chapter 1: Dirty Deal
6:53 Russian mobster shot by police – 3
7:09 Bobby Saint shot - 1
Chapter total: 4
Chapter 3: Last One
Bodyguard shot by Howard Saint - 1
Chapter total: 1
Chapter 8: Party Crashers
30:12 Castle’s mother shot – 1
30:16, :18, :31, :34, :49, 31:17 (cutaway), 31:20 Family members shot – 10
30:34, 31:02, 33:08, :12 Bodies – 6
30:39 Thug shot by Castle – 1
31:38 Thug by Castle/exploding gas tank – 1
31:49 Bodies (not yet counted) – 3
32:25 Thug knifed in the back by Castle’s father – 1
Castle’s father shot - 1
35:43 Maria and Will Castle run over by truck - 2
Chapter total: 26
Chapter 10: Open Wounds
News article mentioning more than 30 dead - misc
Chapter 13: Restricted Access
Saint’s thugs shot by Castle - 2
Chapter total: 2
Chapter 17: Good Neighbors
Harry Heck by Castle/high speed knife – 1
Chapter total: 1
Chapter 18: Battle of Brawn
Russian by Castle/boiling oil/falls downstairs/neck broken - 1
Chapter total: 1
Chapter 20: One Good Turn
Saint’s thug by Castle/large paper cutter blade in skull - 1
Chapter total: 1
Chapter 22: Cheating Partner
Quentin Glass stabbed by Howard Saint – 1
Jim Weeks shoots himself - 1
Chapter total: 2
Chapter 23: Loyalty Issues
Livia Saint dropped from bridge by Howard Saint/ run over by train - 1
Chapter total: 1
Chapter 24: Pursuing Justice
1:58:51, 1:59:25 Thugs shot with arrows, by Castle – 2
2:00:28 Thug stabbed in neck by Castle – 1
2:00:36 Thug holding champagne bottle by Castle/antipersonnel mine – 1
(I only counted this guy dying from the bomb explosion because of sheer proximity. Many of the other thugs were able to get up after the explosion, so I just counted whatever bodies were shown in the following scenes along with Castle’s onscreen kills.)
2:00:52, :55, 2:01:24, :29, :36, :44 Thugs shot by Castle – 6
2:02:11 Thug by Castle/knife up through chin - 1
2:01:06, :11, :36 Bodies, by Castle - 3
Chapter total: 14
Chapter 25: Setting Traps
Thug by Castle/door bomb – 1
Thug shot by Castle - 1
2:03:49 Johnny Saint by Castle/antipersonnel mine (mortal hit) – 1
Howard Saint shot/burned by Castle - 1
Chapter total: 4
Character breakdown
Jane/ Castle / Punisher breakdown:
2:36, 2:40, 2:42, 2:49 Snipers shot by Castle – 4**
30:39 Thug shot by Castle – 1
31:38 Thug by Castle/exploding gas tank – 1
Saint’s thugs shot by Castle - 2
Harry Heck by Castle/high speed knife – 1
Russian by Castle/boiling oil/falls downstairs/neck broken – 1
Saint’s thug by Castle/large paper cutter blade in skull - 1
1:58:51, 1:59:25 Thugs shot with arrows, by Castle – 2
2:00:28 Thug stabbed in neck by Castle – 1
2:00:36 Thug holding champagne bottle by Castle/antipersonnel mine – 1
2:00:52, :55, 2:01:24, :29, :36, :44 Thugs shot by Castle – 6
2:02:11 Thug by Castle/knife up through chin - 1
2:01:06, :11, :36 Bodies, by Castle - 3
Thug by Castle/door bomb – 1
Thug shot by Castle - 1
2:03:49 Johnny Saint by Castle/antipersonnel mine (mortal hit) – 1
Howard Saint shot/burned by Castle - 1
Character total: with Animated Intro, 29**
Without Animated Intro, 25
Travolta/ Howard Saint breakdown:
Bodyguard shot by Howard Saint – 1
Quentin Glass stabbed by Howard Saint – 1
Livia Saint dropped from bridge by Howard Saint/ run over by train - 1
Character total: 3
**NOTE on the Animated Intro: I’m ambivalent about this scene.
Argument for NOT including it in bodycount:
1. Because one of the two “Play” options on the Main Menu is “Play Movie with Animated Intro” (the other one is the standard “Play Movie.”), one might argue that the extended feature film doesn’t necessarily include the Animated Intro.
2. It’s also not a typical animation, it’s actually a succession of extremely high-resolution (at least 30MP) still photographs of the actors themselves edited in Photoshop with a special filter to look like Tim Bradstreet's original cover artwork, voiced by the actors edited together to tell the story.
3. Although not specifically called a deleted scene, the Animated Intro is a separate feature under “Special Features.” A sort of special deleted scene.
On the other hand:
1. It is part of the movie if the first viewing option is chosen.
2. Also, there is no specific section under “Special Features” called “Deleted Scenes”, so one can argue the deleted scenes have been added back to the movie for the Extended version. The Animated Intro would then be considered not quite a deleted scene, it’s special enough to be featured separately under the “Special Features” menu AND to be included in playback under the main menu.
3. Lastly, even though the animation is unusual, it’s still a form of animation. In the Special Feature called Tour of Duty: The Making of the Extended Cut, this scene is described as a sort of stylized animatic.
I don’t know if I’m making any sense.
I’ve included two screenshots below. Personally I lean towards including it in the count, since this is an extended cut DVD. To me it would be rather odd to have a section called “deleted scenes” on an extended or director’s cut DVD. At least I don’t remember any on all the director’s and extended cuts DVDs that I own (I’ll have to check them again). I mean… what’s the point? It’s an extended cut. I thought the purpose of an extended cut was to include those deleted scenes that the director wanted to include in the first place. If there’s a section called “deleted scenes” on an extended DVD, then should I expect an extended cut of the extended version later? OK, I’m rambling. Sorry. 
I’m guessing they wanted to emphasize how special the Animated Introduction is and they wanted to draw attention to the fact that it’s been added to the extended version. I may be just making something out of nothing. So my vote would be to include it in the body count.
But you’re the boss, Jen, so I’m including a separate count for the Animated Intro and you can add it or not according to your discretion. I’ll also give two different total and character counts, one with Animated Intro, one without.
How would you guys vote?
