Hostel 2 Problem

[davethejew]

Your count is way way way off. I'm probably going to have to go back and look through all of your counts.

First off, Paxton doesn't kill Svetlana, she is run over by the following car. Last i checked, we don't count flashback kills if the movie is part of a sequel.

To my knowledge, severed heads don't count because full bodies must be show (i'm pretty sure Jen has made sure of this).

Miroslav is never actually shown dying, when the camera cuts away from him he is still writing alive on the table (ALL THE CANNIBAL DID WAS CUT HIS LEG OFF!).

Also you missed bodies on gurney's in the background.

I just bought the Unrated Directors Cut, I'll do the fucking new count.

[gregg09]

I agree, the count needs to be re-done,

[byronhadley]

That's fine if the count needs to be redone, but I looked for the flashback question and couldn't find it, so that was something I was unaware of.

I was also unaware of the severed head question.

Miroslav does have his leg eaten by a cannibal, but that could be considered a mortal hit. Are you telling me he didn't die? Of course he did.

I guess I just missed the bodies on the gurneys or I decided they were unable to be determined based on their scattered nature.

My other counts are fine. Just because I messed up on this one (if I did), doesn't question the integrity of all my other ones.

Do the count, I don't care, it won't hurt my feelings. But, you don't have to be so judgmental. Even the best body counters can't get everything right. I'm not saying I'm one of those, I'm just saying.

[davethejew]

It didn't show Miroslav die.

How do you not get that?

As for the judgmental thing, that's me, that's how i act. Any other user on this side can tell you that. If you don't like, QUIT.

[byronhadley]

Ok, I'm willing to go with the Miroslav question.

And, I don't want to quit. I enjoy doing this too much. I can live with the judgment. Before now, I've had nothing but good interactions with you. It's no big deal.

[JenGe]

davethejew said:

1. we don't count flashback kills if the movie is part of a sequel.

2. To my knowledge, severed heads don't count because full bodies must be show (i'm pretty sure Jen has made sure of this). .

Dave I am sorry to have to disagree with you but flashbacks in a film do count even if that is a flashback to a sequel and severed heads count as well. I counted the one in Escape from New York. If we counted only "full" bodies many shots in films would not count. The only time this is not true would be in regards to "uncountable piles."

You are correct about "off-screen." None of that should count but then you did yourself count the "off-screen" kills in Wasabi which I went ahead and allowed. Though the "golf fight" is on screen the actual "granade" kills (if they are kills) are off screen implied.

[davethejew]

So we count severed heads but we don't count skulls?
Where's the cutoff point?

As for the cutaway, its not really a cutaway.
The character is still alive and theres never like the sound of death or anything, we just see a guy eating his foot and then it cuts away.

[JenGe]

davethejew said:

So we count severed heads but we don't count skulls?
Where's the cutoff point?

Where does it say not to count "skulls"? Where have I stated any such thing? I counted the "clearly shown displayed" skull in the Tentative count for Pan's Labyrinth... and it is also in the final count done by wraith...

The thing with skulls/heads is that it is easy to determine that they usually do belong to "one body." Other body parts such as fingers, toes, arms...not so much.

As for the cutaway, its not really a cutaway.
The character is still alive and theres never like the sound of death or anything, we just see a guy eating his foot and then it cuts away.

Then that would not count.

[davethejew]

I was always under the impression we weren't supposed to count skulls, just full skeletons.

[JenGe]

davethejew said:

I was always under the impression we weren't supposed to count skulls, just full skeletons.

I'm not sure where you got that from since I have never stated that. Like I said "heads" make it easy to count.