The following question has been raised and is open for discussion, debate and a vote...
A couple movies led me to ask this question. If a movie shows a television show/movie that's not real in the context of the movie does that count? I don't mean archive footage from another movie, but the footage is particular to the movie.
EG: ProtoCop's kills in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, as well as the animated death in the credits, and the B-movie actress's "death" in the horror movie
The MagnaVolt Commercial in RoboCop 2
I would say yes they count if it is shown on screen but I'm open to opposing opinions and debate on it.
I always do it, even if its archive footage, its still an onscreen death
So even though the deaths are fake in the context of the film, they are counted? In my first count, The Running Man, there is a part where a character is watching the news, and they show two dead guards that didn't aculy die, and latter, a simular thing happens where in two of the main characters deaths are faked on tv. Do these count?
I'm not sure. The example I used before is 'The Running Man', so I guess I should expand on that.
Richards doesn't trust her, but he can't leave her either, so he attempts to kidnap her and fly to Hawaii. After she alerts airport security, it leads to a chase through the airport, whereafter he is captured with a netgun (afterwards, and the media falsely states that Richards killed several police officers and security guards at the airport).
Now, we get a lovely little newscast compleat with bodys lying in pools of blood.
Later the deaths of the two main characters are staged; there is a scene that shows two people being killed (who are latter refered to as acters), and they use teh magic of CG to make them look like the main characters.
Both of these are realitively grafic for the time, and without the whole "We faked it lol" there wouldn't have been any argument.
I think this is more than a bit like the dream disscussion, and I think it would be fine to inclued them in the count, as long as it is mentioned that they are fictional in the context of the film.
Alpha Dog looks good, Jen. I believe Dave is right when he says it's an onscreen kill. It may be fictitious in the context of the film, but we don't bodycount films because there's any reality in them--- we count to measure the shock value of a film (according to Wikipedia). As somebody mentioned, if the director thought it important enough to show bodies on the video, then it must be significant and should be counted (with a disclaimer).