Post by igniteice on Nov 3, 2006 6:03:24 GMT -5
In the count for Shaun of the Dead - Ed and Shaun are given 3 kills each for the 'death' of Philip. This grossly exaggerates the body count of the movie, since Philip:
1) does not die in this scene because it's a fictional scene merely talked about by Shaun (suggested scenario rather.)
2) is not killed in this scene later on
3) is not killed later on by Ed or Philip - he is bitten by a zombie and dies as such and is left in the car (thus, his human death would be counted instead of his zombie death - and in fact, if we're counting zombie deaths as the final death, then Philip technically never dies.)
The rules state that a character can only be killed once - not once as a human and then later as a zombie, and as such, not 3 times as a human either.
Here's a recount following rules best as possible...
*0:08:48 NA First human falls over dead. (1) not counted, she is a human when she falls over and will turn into zombie like all the rest.
*0:13:16 NA Second human seen dead, head leaning on steering wheel, with car horn going - holding up traffic behind him - Shaun talking while ambulence takes body out of car. (1) not counted - he is later seen alive as a zombie moving around in body bag at 0:41:20
1 0:22:07 Zombie Zombie is eating another zombie at the neck - head falls off and dangles at the side.
2 0:27:26 Human Zombie dead on ground as Shaun walks by - head bashed in with pool of blood.
3 0:32:11 Ed Ed's 1st zombie kill using an ash tray to the head.
4 0:34:45 Ed Ed's 2nd zombie kill with shovel.
5 0:34:45 Shaun Shaun's 1st zombie kill with rugby paddle.
*0:41:31 NA Ed drives into human, they go back and check on him, he pops up alive as a zombie at 0:42:00 (1) not counted
*0:46:44 NA Philip is bitten by zombie but does not die at this scene - the two zombies in this scene aren't counted because neither of them are killed, they're still up and walking as the scene ends. Shaun only knocks them away. (3) not counted
*0:48:15 NA Shaun hits 3 zombies in the head with rugby paddle, but at 48:32, they can all be seen getting up and walking back toward him. (3) not counted.
6 0:51:20 Shaun Shaun's 2nd zombie kill - assuming he killed it, as he was closest one near it - of all the zombies hit as the group flees their apartment, only one is seen "dead" on the ground as they get into the car.
*0:51:37 NA Ed drives into 2 zombies during this scene - but neither of them are hit in the head - no blood is shown, they are merely crashed into and are thus counted as still alive (much like the human who was hit earlier and got up as a zombie.) (2) not counted
*0:51:49 NA Ed crashes into a 3rd zombie. (1) not counted
*0:53:18 NA Philip finally dies in car (blood-loss) and seconds later he turns into a zombie and they leave him in car at 0:54:24 (1) not counted
*0:53:27 NA Ed crashes into a 4th zombie. (1) not counted
7 0:55:22 Zombie Zombies eating another zombie - ripping guts out - zombie's face is visible at this frame as they tear into him.
8 0:57:27 Zombie Zombie is dead on ground inside house/seen through door's glass
*0:58:53 NA Shaun uses a long metal pole to penetrate the zombie into the tree, but this is done through his chest. This zombie is seen alive (but nailed into the tree) They use this zombie as a demonstration of how a zombie acts, so it's imperative that it is alive (so that it can be used to learn how to mimic a zombie - can't do that if it's dead) (1) not counted
9 1:13:28 Shaun Shaun (3rd kill) pushes zombie John (pub owner) into jukebox head first/electrocutes him (this fries the jukebox.)
*1:16:07 NA Shaun finally gets a hit on a zombie with rifle, but only hits him in the arm, zombie is later seen still alive at 1:16:18
*1:16:14 NA Shaun shoots another zombie in the arm.
10 1:16:21 Shaun Shaun (4th kill) shoots zombie with rifle - hits him in the neck this time, blood gushes out (same kind of death as at 0:22:07.)
11 1:16:33 Shaun Shaun (5th) shoots the zombie from 1:16:07 in the head this time - splatters window curtains with blood.
12 1:20:53 Shaun Shaun (6th) shoots his zombie mother in the head after she's turned.
13 1:22:30 Zombie David is ripped apart by zombies after he's dragged out of the window, one of the most graphically depicted scenes I've ever seen in any movie bar none!
14 1:23:20 Shaun Shaun (7th) shoots zombie in the head with rifle.
1:24:00 NA Ed is bitten by several zombies (including zombie Pete) but is not killed in this scene or any scene. (1) not counted
15 1:24:08 Shaun Zombie Pete is finally killed - shot through eye by Shaun (8th kill) with rifle.
16 1:25:18 Shaun We'll count these as Shaun's kills (9th) because he lit the fire that exploded the shells on the counter. stray bullet hits zombie in head at this frame. Shaun had tried to pull the box of shells out of the fire, but left them in there because it was too hot. He then says, "Give us a break" as more zombies swarm them, and lo and behold, the bullets start flying
17 1:25:19 Shaun Second stray bullet kills zombie. (Shaun's 10th kill)
18 1:25:20 Shaun Third bullet ricochets off bell and hits zombie woman in front of them. (11th)
19-21 1:30:18 Army Two zombies (19 and 20) driven over by gigantic bus type army rig. A third zombie (21) is seen on ground and its death is confirmed when it is ran over and head ripped off at 1:30:20.
22-23 1:30:21 Army Two more zombies are ran over by bus. Unlike the car scenes, these zombies are crushed to death underneath.
24 1:30:23 Army Another zombie is smashed into - in this frame, its clear what happens when they are hit - this particular zombie's face explodes in a blood splatter and goes flying backwards.
*1:30:30 NA Two zombies are hit in this frame but are the same zombies later seen in 1:30:31. (2) not counted
25-27 1:30:31 Army Three zombies (including the two above) are fired into by Troops.
28-30 1:30:33 Army Three more zombies are riddled with bullets.
31-33 1:30:35 Army Three different zombies are killed with machine gun fire.
34-38 1:30:36 Army Five zombies are killed here - all the zombies mentioned have different clothing, so they are different (except for the case at 1:30:30.)
39-41 1:30:38 Army Three more zombies are killed here.
42 1:30:44 Army Trooper kills a zombie with bunt of rifle.
43 1:30:45 Army Another zombie is killed - same manner.
*1:30:55 NA Yvonne hits two TWIN zombies in the head with a golf club - though they undoubtedly don't die from this as there is clearly no blood on the golf club, and not enough force would have been able to kill them (they were about same size as pub owner John, who took 30+ hits with pool sticks to the head and didn't die.) As the TV newscaster said, you have to remove the head or destroy the brain!
And that's it! Total: 43 deaths.
Shaun: 11 kills (8 kills if you don't count the stray bullets as his kills)
Ed: 2 kills (he doesn't DO anything, that was one of the points of the movie - how he's always just standing around doing nothing - listen to the commentary, they make a note of this)
Zombies killing zombies: 4
Other humans killing zombies: 1
Army: 25 kills
Misc: Yvonne hits 2 twin zombies with a golf club but clearly only knocks them down - no blood on the golf club and several zombies throughout the movie were seen knocked down and getting back up.
1) does not die in this scene because it's a fictional scene merely talked about by Shaun (suggested scenario rather.)
2) is not killed in this scene later on
3) is not killed later on by Ed or Philip - he is bitten by a zombie and dies as such and is left in the car (thus, his human death would be counted instead of his zombie death - and in fact, if we're counting zombie deaths as the final death, then Philip technically never dies.)
The rules state that a character can only be killed once - not once as a human and then later as a zombie, and as such, not 3 times as a human either.
Here's a recount following rules best as possible...
*0:08:48 NA First human falls over dead. (1) not counted, she is a human when she falls over and will turn into zombie like all the rest.
*0:13:16 NA Second human seen dead, head leaning on steering wheel, with car horn going - holding up traffic behind him - Shaun talking while ambulence takes body out of car. (1) not counted - he is later seen alive as a zombie moving around in body bag at 0:41:20
1 0:22:07 Zombie Zombie is eating another zombie at the neck - head falls off and dangles at the side.
2 0:27:26 Human Zombie dead on ground as Shaun walks by - head bashed in with pool of blood.
3 0:32:11 Ed Ed's 1st zombie kill using an ash tray to the head.
4 0:34:45 Ed Ed's 2nd zombie kill with shovel.
5 0:34:45 Shaun Shaun's 1st zombie kill with rugby paddle.
*0:41:31 NA Ed drives into human, they go back and check on him, he pops up alive as a zombie at 0:42:00 (1) not counted
*0:46:44 NA Philip is bitten by zombie but does not die at this scene - the two zombies in this scene aren't counted because neither of them are killed, they're still up and walking as the scene ends. Shaun only knocks them away. (3) not counted
*0:48:15 NA Shaun hits 3 zombies in the head with rugby paddle, but at 48:32, they can all be seen getting up and walking back toward him. (3) not counted.
6 0:51:20 Shaun Shaun's 2nd zombie kill - assuming he killed it, as he was closest one near it - of all the zombies hit as the group flees their apartment, only one is seen "dead" on the ground as they get into the car.
*0:51:37 NA Ed drives into 2 zombies during this scene - but neither of them are hit in the head - no blood is shown, they are merely crashed into and are thus counted as still alive (much like the human who was hit earlier and got up as a zombie.) (2) not counted
*0:51:49 NA Ed crashes into a 3rd zombie. (1) not counted
*0:53:18 NA Philip finally dies in car (blood-loss) and seconds later he turns into a zombie and they leave him in car at 0:54:24 (1) not counted
*0:53:27 NA Ed crashes into a 4th zombie. (1) not counted
7 0:55:22 Zombie Zombies eating another zombie - ripping guts out - zombie's face is visible at this frame as they tear into him.
8 0:57:27 Zombie Zombie is dead on ground inside house/seen through door's glass
*0:58:53 NA Shaun uses a long metal pole to penetrate the zombie into the tree, but this is done through his chest. This zombie is seen alive (but nailed into the tree) They use this zombie as a demonstration of how a zombie acts, so it's imperative that it is alive (so that it can be used to learn how to mimic a zombie - can't do that if it's dead) (1) not counted
9 1:13:28 Shaun Shaun (3rd kill) pushes zombie John (pub owner) into jukebox head first/electrocutes him (this fries the jukebox.)
*1:16:07 NA Shaun finally gets a hit on a zombie with rifle, but only hits him in the arm, zombie is later seen still alive at 1:16:18
*1:16:14 NA Shaun shoots another zombie in the arm.
10 1:16:21 Shaun Shaun (4th kill) shoots zombie with rifle - hits him in the neck this time, blood gushes out (same kind of death as at 0:22:07.)
11 1:16:33 Shaun Shaun (5th) shoots the zombie from 1:16:07 in the head this time - splatters window curtains with blood.
12 1:20:53 Shaun Shaun (6th) shoots his zombie mother in the head after she's turned.
13 1:22:30 Zombie David is ripped apart by zombies after he's dragged out of the window, one of the most graphically depicted scenes I've ever seen in any movie bar none!
14 1:23:20 Shaun Shaun (7th) shoots zombie in the head with rifle.
1:24:00 NA Ed is bitten by several zombies (including zombie Pete) but is not killed in this scene or any scene. (1) not counted
15 1:24:08 Shaun Zombie Pete is finally killed - shot through eye by Shaun (8th kill) with rifle.
16 1:25:18 Shaun We'll count these as Shaun's kills (9th) because he lit the fire that exploded the shells on the counter. stray bullet hits zombie in head at this frame. Shaun had tried to pull the box of shells out of the fire, but left them in there because it was too hot. He then says, "Give us a break" as more zombies swarm them, and lo and behold, the bullets start flying
17 1:25:19 Shaun Second stray bullet kills zombie. (Shaun's 10th kill)
18 1:25:20 Shaun Third bullet ricochets off bell and hits zombie woman in front of them. (11th)
19-21 1:30:18 Army Two zombies (19 and 20) driven over by gigantic bus type army rig. A third zombie (21) is seen on ground and its death is confirmed when it is ran over and head ripped off at 1:30:20.
22-23 1:30:21 Army Two more zombies are ran over by bus. Unlike the car scenes, these zombies are crushed to death underneath.
24 1:30:23 Army Another zombie is smashed into - in this frame, its clear what happens when they are hit - this particular zombie's face explodes in a blood splatter and goes flying backwards.
*1:30:30 NA Two zombies are hit in this frame but are the same zombies later seen in 1:30:31. (2) not counted
25-27 1:30:31 Army Three zombies (including the two above) are fired into by Troops.
28-30 1:30:33 Army Three more zombies are riddled with bullets.
31-33 1:30:35 Army Three different zombies are killed with machine gun fire.
34-38 1:30:36 Army Five zombies are killed here - all the zombies mentioned have different clothing, so they are different (except for the case at 1:30:30.)
39-41 1:30:38 Army Three more zombies are killed here.
42 1:30:44 Army Trooper kills a zombie with bunt of rifle.
43 1:30:45 Army Another zombie is killed - same manner.
*1:30:55 NA Yvonne hits two TWIN zombies in the head with a golf club - though they undoubtedly don't die from this as there is clearly no blood on the golf club, and not enough force would have been able to kill them (they were about same size as pub owner John, who took 30+ hits with pool sticks to the head and didn't die.) As the TV newscaster said, you have to remove the head or destroy the brain!
And that's it! Total: 43 deaths.
Shaun: 11 kills (8 kills if you don't count the stray bullets as his kills)
Ed: 2 kills (he doesn't DO anything, that was one of the points of the movie - how he's always just standing around doing nothing - listen to the commentary, they make a note of this)
Zombies killing zombies: 4
Other humans killing zombies: 1
Army: 25 kills
Misc: Yvonne hits 2 twin zombies with a golf club but clearly only knocks them down - no blood on the golf club and several zombies throughout the movie were seen knocked down and getting back up.
