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Post by ikantspelwurdz on Jun 21, 2007 10:20:42 GMT -5
1968 Science Fiction Director: Stanley Kubrick Top-billed actors: Keir Dullea, Gary Lockwood, William Sylvester
Total body count: 6 - Primitive humans: 1 - Scientists: 5
Misc: - Computer lobotomies (later shown to be reversible): 1
Kills by character: - Tool-using man: 1 - HAL: 4
Bodies by chapter - Ch. 3: 1 - Ch. 21: 1 - Ch. 22: 3 - Ch. 30: 1
Scene-by-scene breakdown:
Ch. 3: The Dawn of Man 1 body A primitive man beats a member of a rival tribe to death with a bone club.
Ch. 21: Cut Adrift 1 body HAL autopilots the EVA pod into Frank, killing him, though Dave Bowman doesn't know this yet.
Ch. 23: The Big Sleep 3 bodies HAL shuts off life support, killing the three hibernating scientists.
Ch. 26: My Mind is Going Dave disconnects HAL. HAL is reconnected in the sequel, which shows that this "kill" doesn't actually cause permanent damage to HAL, so this one isn't counted.
Ch. 30: Through Space & Time 1 body Dave dies of old age and is reborn as the Space Baby.
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Post by JenGe on Jun 23, 2007 11:35:43 GMT -5
The count has been called into question... Dave does not die and turn into the space baby. Dave is turned into an energy form, which goes to old age, and then goes directly to the Star Child. He does not die, the energy makes him skip death and go directly to rebirth. If you watch 2010 he is alive and well.
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Post by ikantspelwurdz on Jun 25, 2007 20:25:17 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear that at the end of that chapter, you are looking at an extremely aged human body moments away from death. When it vanishes and is replaced by the star child, that's his death and rebirth.
I've seen 2010, and Dave is there, but his physical human body is not. It's like how Yoda is around at the end of Return of the Jedi, but you count his body anyway. I don't see why Dave should be treated differently.
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Post by davethejew on Jun 26, 2007 18:24:11 GMT -5
ITS NOT A DEATH! It's a pure energy rebirth. Dave skips death...
read the fucking book
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