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Post by davethejew on Mar 31, 2006 3:42:20 GMT -5
On Ed Nortons bio when you click fight club it links to Invasion USA.
Also on the Horror charts constantine is spelled wrong
More films need to be in the cyberpunk category, and alot are misslabled, im not anal
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Post by wheels128 on Mar 31, 2006 8:09:40 GMT -5
Cyberpunk? I wouldn't even call that a real genre; it's more of a section of dystopian sci-fi action/drama films. If you're going to give that its own genre, then you'll have to split action into about 213 different subsets.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 31, 2006 10:21:05 GMT -5
On Ed Nortons bio when you click fight club it links to Invasion USA. Fixed fixed Ok, this is how I do the genres/categories. I usually pick one or two that a film is primarily in. I do not put films into EVERY category that they might fit into. An example would be Pulp Fiction. I think that film is primarily about hitmen but it could also fit under "mob", "dark comedy", "satire", ... I AM NOT GOING TO PUT ANY FILM IN ALL SUBJECTS THEY MIGHT FIT INTO BUT ONLY ONE OR TWO!!! Clear? If you think a film is mislabeled start a thread for that film on this board and we can discuss it...I will not though promise any changes but I will allow a discourse on where a film should be primarily located. Currently I go by it's listing at Wikipedia as well as Amazon & IMDb.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 31, 2006 10:37:25 GMT -5
Cyberpunk? I wouldn't even call that a real genre; it's more of a section of dystopian sci-fi action/drama films. If you're going to give that its own genre, then you'll have to split action into about 213 different subsets. It is not a "genre." That is why I do not have it listed on the genre page but a "subject" page. There are thousands of subjects out there and I really do not want to waste my time keeping people happy who want their favorite film on the top of some obscure chart. My main concern and focus for this site is to build a data base of films and their counts. "Subjects" are lower than secondary. Even "genres" take precedence over them. This is the reason the "Subjects" is the very last item listed on the Charts page... I do not find it to be as important as the others above it. I'm already regretting the fact I even created "subjects" and may just remove them all together. They really are a waste of my time when I can be creating new pages for films/actors/directors instead.
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Post by wheels128 on Apr 3, 2006 23:16:58 GMT -5
Yeah, directors/actors/characters are more important. Especially for when I do all the Friday The 13th movies, hehe.
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Post by kain424 on Jul 8, 2006 8:00:46 GMT -5
I came to this site because I count kills for certain actiors as a hobby... and, well, I wanted to check my work against others'. I dispute Christian Bale's count of over 100 in Equilibrium. I watched the film over and over again, counting the kills and have come up with a count of 97 for Bale.
I wondered, at first, how there could be such a descrepancy, but as I counted, I noticed that it was likely that several kills were likely marked down more than once due to the change in camera angles and whatnot. This is particularly true towards the end of the film where this site claims Bale slays 53 people in the hallway. Myself, I counted 38 in said scene.
I also have a dispute with Matrix's kills in Commando. Do you not count explosions and such? I counted a total of 88 kills here (not a major discrepancy, but still a discrepancy), while the IMDb goes in between us both, counting 85.
There are more but I should very much like to discuss these ones.
>:-)
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Post by JenGe on Jul 8, 2006 9:12:40 GMT -5
Hi Kain and welcome to the site. I find that discrepancies will always occur due to how films are made and edited as well as the guidelines for the tallies. Human error is also a factor. I wondered, at first, how there could be such a descrepancy, but as I counted, I noticed that it was likely that several kills were likely marked down more than once due to the change in camera angles and whatnot. This is particularly true towards the end of the film where this site claims Bale slays 53 people in the hallway. Myself, I counted 38 in said scene. I will take a look at the scene in question myself and get back to you as soon as I am able. If the edit was made to represent a later kill then it will count. Sometimes extras are used more than once to represent different "people". If so then they will count. Different angles in the editing room can as well depending. I count how many "bodies" are shown going down in a film...not if the angles have changed. This keeps it equal for all films and allows those counting to not have to judge or misjudge angle shots with extras (non characters) that are not obvious and may have been edited for later kills in a film. This is especially the case for battle sequences and war films. Explosion count if they show something...bodies or if there is a quick cut away such as four people in a chopper cut to an explosion. I do not count kills that are NOT shown or are NOT instant "cut aways." This site counts "on screen kills." That means something needs to be shown. An example are the card table kills in Mr. & Mrs. Smith. Only two in that sequnce are actually shown. The others (4) are "implied" but nothing is actually shown so they are not in the final tally. Have you taken a look at my guidelines here... moviebodycounts.proboards80.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1133228586
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Post by davethejew on Jul 8, 2006 12:39:07 GMT -5
Kain, don't rock the boat, go do some kill counts
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Post by kain424 on Jul 8, 2006 17:34:42 GMT -5
I have counted well over a thousand deaths in over a hundred films, though most of these are actor-specific. I have been trying to get a bodycount for the leading actors in action films.
Oh, and I have another question... I'm sure that you all have seen The 6th Day with Arnold Schwarzenegger. I noticed in a separate post that it is against your guidelines to count characters who die multiple times. So what about in The 6th day where characters are killed multiple times...? Technically these are different characters, being as they are, say, Tali, then Talia's Clone, then Talia's Second Clone and so on. Or do you count their deaths only at the actor's final death scene?
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Post by JenGe on Jul 8, 2006 18:01:55 GMT -5
Like I stated with the cyborgs it would have to be considered film by film. Sometimes I leave something like that open to the membership of the board to decide by vote and debate. An example could be a film dealing with "reincarnation." Who would count...what would the kills be on that subject? Maybe you should start your own website then since you would have to modify your counts to fit my guidelines. I'd love the competition!!
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Post by wheels128 on Jul 13, 2006 23:50:32 GMT -5
I also have a dispute with Matrix's kills in Commando. Do you not count explosions and such? I counted a total of 88 kills here (not a major discrepancy, but still a discrepancy), while the IMDb goes in between us both, counting 85. Kain, I did the Commando count and consider it to be accurate - if you'd like, I can do a kill-by-kill count of that final scene and you can dispute each kill individually (it'll give me another excuse to watch it). After some explosions, I didn't count flying bodies because I believed there was no way in hell they could have even been scratched by that explosion, let alone killed. There is, also, the matter of the different versions of the DVD - mine is missing some kills as it is based on the German master, which has 56 seconds of cuts. I'll try and get back onto Commando some time soon.
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Post by davethejew on Jul 14, 2006 7:30:20 GMT -5
Wheels dont waste your time, i dont think kain is coming back...
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Post by kain424 on Jul 20, 2008 2:49:40 GMT -5
Wheels dont waste your time, i dont think kain is coming back... I'm back. It only took a couple of years! Maybe you should start your own website then since you would have to modify your counts to fit my guidelines. I'd love the competition!! Done. AllOuttaBubbleGum.com Kain, I did the Commando count and consider it to be accurate - if you'd like, I can do a kill-by-kill count of that final scene and you can dispute each kill individually (it'll give me another excuse to watch it). After some explosions, I didn't count flying bodies because I believed there was no way in hell they could have even been scratched by that explosion, let alone killed. There is, also, the matter of the different versions of the DVD - mine is missing some kills as it is based on the German master, which has 56 seconds of cuts. I'll try and get back onto Commando some time soon. I have made a video showing how I came about my count here: www.allouttabubblegum.com/main/?p=12
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