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300 (finalized) « Thread Started on Mar 9, 2007, 5:57am »
As expected this one will have to wait until the DVD. I do have some minor numbers but the battles are absolutely spectacular!! It's not even worth posting anything until we can do the entire film.
I suspect this will end up in the #2 slot if not the #1.
I believe this is the first time the site has really had such an epic film to count while in the "release to theater" stage. Simply AWESOME!!
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Re: 300 (pending DVD) « Reply #1 on Mar 17, 2007, 8:47pm »
Not sure why Davethejew is not posting in this thread but he Pm'ed me the following...
"Also i saw 300 for a second time(with a new girl, who didn't mind the counting) and stopped around 472 right before the big final battle with Xerxes."
Looks like we'll have at least a new #2 once it is finalized.
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Re: 300 (pending DVD) « Reply #3 on May 25, 2007, 7:30pm »
We don't need to wait. Just use whatever is released. If an unrated, extended or director's cut is initially released use that. If is released in the future we will update the page then (damn double dipping ).
Re: 300 (pending DVD) « Reply #4 on May 25, 2007, 8:37pm »
Kewl! I'm counting down. Amazon.com says the DVD will be released July 31. I'll also keep an eye out for unrated, extended or director's cuts. Even if I get the regular version, it would be so worth it to get any other versions in the future as well.
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Re: 300 (pending DVD) « Reply #5 on Jun 16, 2007, 10:51pm »
I seem to be getting quite a number of emails today from 300 fans to get this film on the site. I really wish they would take the time to look around first so that they would understand that we want an accurate count.
Re: 300 (pending DVD) « Reply #6 on Jun 16, 2007, 11:59pm »
I'd really love to get this movie on the site. This film has the possibility of being number one. But how do they expect us to count this? Using a bootleg copy?
Aside from the fact that this site only uses legitimate versions, a bootleg would be selling the movie short. Even the best bootlegs won't allow us to look through a scene step by step, in fractions of seconds, and that's the only way to examine some scenes to get the most accurate counts out of them. Bootlegs are notoriously blurred, especially where there's a lot of action going on.
In order for this movie to get the best chance of being number one, every battle, every fight has to be looked through second by second to get that body here, that body there, that might be tucked away in some corner of the frame where you wouldn't see it going normal speed. Definitely won't happen with a bootleg. It might take several days, but it will be worth it.
I can't wait for the DVD to come out. I remember thinking to myself during the movie, "OMG, this will be crazy to count." Crazier even than Return of the King. You've got two or three Spartans or more killing at the same time in the same frame, and there are bodies everywhere, I mean everywhere.
I seriously think that this will snatch the number one spot if counted accurately and milked as much as possible, but that will only happen with a legitimate DVD (and an HD one at that).
Re: 300 (pending DVD) « Reply #7 on Aug 4, 2007, 12:21am »
Hi all, I realize I'm a newbie here, but I was curious on where you're drawing the line with some of the kill counts for this movie. My biggest concern is whether or not the sinking ships count. By NO MEANS should anyone take this as a serious count, I'm using it to illustrate a point.
In the first hour, I counted 517 kills alone, but that was including 312 kills on ships (13 ships x 24 people per ship - they're all the same ship type, and I counted one ship. I'm assuming a bit more) The ships alone beat out Hard Boiled. Unfair advantage with CG? How's this going to pan out?
Re: 300 (pending DVD) « Reply #9 on Aug 4, 2007, 2:43am »
I've been working on this since I got the DVD on Tuesday. I'm re-checking the big battles now. I should have a count ready this weekend.
I half expected this to make the top spot, but when I think about it, the extended edition of LotR: RotK (251 minutes) is more than twice as long as this movie (117 minutes), and the scale of the battles in RotK was enormous. The count I have will probably be no more than 550, but not less than 500.
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Re: 300 (pending DVD) « Reply #10 on Aug 4, 2007, 4:04pm »
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I've been working on this since I got the DVD on Tuesday. I'm re-checking the big battles now. I should have a count ready this weekend.
Thanks Amie. I figured you would have it soon.
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-The Staff
As Dave has stated hieyeck we rarely allow new people to do gigantic counts here. It is important to have an understanding of the guidelines to do these so that we do not end up with errors.
Total Movie Onscreen Kills/Deaths (with credits animation): 600
Total Movie Onscreen Kills/Deaths (without credits animation): 585
Miscellaneous: Baby bones Skulls of conquered kings Burning village Dead horses Persian ships battered and sunk by hurricane Wall of the Dead - uncountable pile of hundreds of bodies Uncountable bodies strewn on killing fields Heads of executed generals Wolf, rhinoceros, elephants
Total Butler/Leonidas (as adult) Kills: 30 Total Wisdom/Astinos Kills: 25 Total Fassbender/Stelios Kills: 23 Total Regan/Captain Kills: 23 Total Wenham/Dilios Kills: 5 Total Pleavin/Daxos Kills: 5 Total Headey/Gorgo Kills: 1
Movie breakdown:
Chapter 1: Spartan Education Baby bones – misc 2:49 Boy beaten to death by Leonidas as a boy – 1 (Narrator stated that the boys in the agoge are taught “if necessary, to kill” just after Leonidas gets up from beating the boy. Also, there was the tell-tale splatter of blood which I’ve equated with kills in the movie.) Giant wolf by Leonidas as a teen – misc Chapter total: 1
Chapter 2: Messenger From Persia Skulls of conquered kings – misc
Chapter 3: Sparta’s Reply Messenger kicked into well by Leonidas – 1 12:49 Bodyguard by Captain/sword – 1 12:53, :54 Bodyguards by Spartans (in background) by sword – 2 (Bodyguards are seen being pushed towards the well but I only counted the ones seen falling into the well – see below.) 12:58, :59, 13:03 (One stabbed with sword before falling) – Messenger’s bodyguards thrown into well by Spartans – 5 Chapter total: 9
Chapter 9: Hunters of Men’s Souls Burning village- misc Dead horse - misc Girl dies – 1 Bodies pinned to tree (only distinguishable bodies under zoom) – 10 Most of the numbers in this body count where bodies are piled together or strewn are minimums. I also don’t count blobs in the far distance, which could be rocks, shields, horses, etc. Chapter total: 11
Chapter 10: Glorious Rain Persian ships battered and sunk by hurricane – misc 34:25, :26, :29, 30(from ship on the right) Persian sailors falling into stormy sea – 5 34:44 Persian sailors on ship seen just before it sinks, including one on the bow – 6 34:46 Sailors falling into sea – 2 Sailors on second ship (the one on the right) distinguishable on ship before it sinks – min 3 Bodies in the sea- 8 Chapter total: 24
Chapter 12: Wall of the Dead 38:06, 38:17 Bodies impaled upright on spears – 7 38:27, :49, :59. 39:08, 39:09 Bodies in rock wall – 12 Single body parts such as feet and hands - misc Chapter total: 19
Chapter 14: Hot Gates Battle Note: In battle, I count a kill when a body is seen being stabbed, pierced, bludgeoned or sliced by the killer. If the killer is doing these actions but there is no body or any part of it onscreen, it isn’t counted. Captain of first wave of Persians , by Spartan spear – 1 46:51, 47:02, :03, :05, :07, :11(cutaways), :17, :21, :24, :25, :26, :31, :33, :36, :37, :40(on left), :41, :42, :52, :56, :58, 48:05, :08, :23, :37, :39, :47, :52, :58, 49:05 Persians by Spartans/spear – 62 47:12, :27, :31, :33(on left in background, body on the right), :41, :58, 48:00, :05, :12, :20, Persians by Leonidas/spear – 10 47:12, :55 Persians by Captain/spear – 2 47:14, :15 Persians by Spartas/sword – 3 47:16, :38 Persians by Dilios/spear or sword – 2 47:23, :48:13, 48:20 Bodies falling – 3 47:34 Persians by Stelios/sword - 1 47:36, :43 Persians by Astinos/spear - 2 47:45, :46, :51, 48:08, :12, :31 Bodies - 7 48:28 Persian by Leonidas/spear thrown – 1 (I just wanted to note this one because it was odd. Two Persians, the spear hits one’s chest, they both fall. These might be Siamese Twins? I could only see 3 legs between the two of them. Would still count as one though—or would they? We don’t have a bodycount rule for Siamese twins, do we? lol) 49:00 Persian by Spartan (previously deflected by Leonidas’s shield) – 1 (I didn’t count the Persians that Leonidas deflected with his shield. The point seems to have been to get forward as fast and as far as he can while killing as many as he can, at the same time leaving anyone else he couldn’t kill to the Spartans behind.) 48:35, :37, :44, :47(maimed, mortal wound), :51, 49:07 Persians by Leonidas/sword - 6 Chapter total: 101
Chapter 15: Today No Spartan Dies 49:32 Bodies-- dead, mortally wounded, or dying – 2 49:37 Persians by Spartans/spear or sword – 2 49:41, :47, :50 Persians by Leonidas/sword/pushed off cliff – 3 49:42, :43, :44, :48, :49, :50 Persians pushed off cliff to rocks below – 20 50:10 Bodies strewn – no clear headshots-- under shields – from the angle, I’d say they were already counted anyway- misc 50:51 Persians by arrows – 2 50:51, 51:16 Bodies – 6 52:02, :11, :13, :20, :22, :23, :25, :26, :28, :32, , :34, :38 Persian horsemen by Spartans/spear – 12 52:18 Persian horseman by Stelios/spear – 1 52:23, :27 Bodies - 2 52:30 Persian horsemen by Leonidas/spear - 1 Chapter total: 51
Chapter 17: Meeting Xerxes 55:40, :46, 56:59 Persian by Captain/spear – 3 55:54 Bodies – min 5 56:02, :14(left side), :31(right side) Persians by Spartan/spear - 3 56:34 Bodies previously covered from view by Leonidas – 2 1:00:43, :44, :48 1:01:10 Bodies – 9 1:00:53 Bodies – min 2 1:01:05 Body dragged to Wall of the Dead – 1 1:01:10 Bodies being carried – 2 1:01:15 Body carried by Captain – 1 1:01:15 Bodies in background – 3 Wall of the Dead—enormous pile of bodies – mostly uncountable - misc Chapter total: 31
Chapter 18: Immortals Put to the Test Note: Spartans start dying here. All bodies from the battles listed before this were Persians. All bodies listed in the following are Persians unless otherwise listed. 1:01:44, :50 Bodies – 4 Dead horses – misc 1:02:36, :44, :49, :55, 1:03:05, :09, :10, 1:04:19 Bodies – min 28 1:03:16, :31, :40, :42, 1:04:43, :47 Immortals by Leonidas/spear or sword – 6 1:03:21, 1:04:00 Immortals by Captain/spear or sword – 2 1:03:26, :32, :42, 1:04:16, :21 Immortals by Spartans/spear or sword- 4 1:03:34, :36, 1:04:26 Spartans by Immortals/sword – 3 1:03:36, :39, 1:04:20, :22. :58 Bodies of Immortals – 7 1:03:56, 1:04:21 Immortal by Dilios/sword – 2 1:04:22 Immortal by Dilios/edge of shield - 1 1:03:56, :57, 1:04:04 Immortals by Astinos/sword – 3 1:04:30 Immortal falls - 1 Chapter total: 61
Chapter 19: Uber Immortal’s Fall 1:05:17, 1:05:25, 1:06:25, :54, 1:07:31, :50, 1:08:01 Bodies of Immortals – 13 1:05:25 Bodies of Persians from Wall of the Dead – min 3 1:06:17, :25, :54 Bodies of Spartans – 5 1:06:56 Uber Immortal decapitated by Leonidas/sword – 1 1:07:14, :22, :23, :26, :30 Immortals by Daxos/spear – 5 1:05:27, 1:07:19, :49, :52, :53, :55, 1:08:11, :13, :17 Immortals by Spartans/spear or sword – 10 1:07:29 Immortal by Arcadian – 1 1:07:45, :48, :49, :50 Immortals by Stelios/spear – 4 Chapter total: 42
Chapter 20: Numbers Count For Nothing 1:09:33 Persian by Leonidas/spear – 1 1:09:46, :57, 1:10:05, :06, 1:10:42, :53, :59, 1:11:04, :19 Bodies of Persians – 26 1:09:47 Persian trampled by rhino – 1 1:09:50 Persian gored by rhino – 1 1:09:54 Persian flung aside by rhino – 1 1:09:54 Bodies, one on left, one on right – 2 1:10:27 Rhino by Astinos/spear – misc 1:10:34 Body on right – 1 1:10:49 Bodies (seen on zoom) – 9 1:11:23,:26(one on left, one on right) Persians by Stelios/explosion – 3 1:11:57 Heads of generals at executioner’s feet – misc 1:11:59 Xerxes’ general by executioner/axe-hand – 1 1:12:30 Elephants backed up off the edge of cliff – misc Archers on elephants (3 visible on first, 1 on third) – 4 1:12:35, :36 Archers/riders seen falling into the rocks below - 8 Chapter total: 58
Chapter 21: Blood-Drunk Note: I’ve tried my best not to count bodies again that I’ve already counted. I tried to keep the layouts of the bodies in mind so that if I see them again I won’t count them again. But the camera in this scene was circling around the battle, and sometimes the angle of the camera will change and if I don’t recognize those bodies, I’ll count them. Sometimes the camera will move further left or right, backwards or forwards, and the next frame might include bodies already counted along with the bodies not yet counted—hence, some of my numbers will have ‘not yet counted’ next to them.
1:12:40, :42, :45, :48, :50, :51, :54, :58, 1:13:03, :06, :09, :17, :20, :22, :26, :29, :39, :47, :52 Persians by Astinos/sword – 18 1:12:41, :43, :45, :48, :54, 1:13:21, ,:25, :28 Bodies – min 51 1:12:57(on left in background), 1:13:56, :21 Persians by Spartan/sword or spear– 4 1:12:52 Body on the left – 1 1:12:56 Bodies (not yet counted) – 1 1:13:02 Persian maimed by Astinos/sword (mortal hit) – 1 1:13:04 Body (upper left) – 1 1:13:09 Body (on the right) – 1 1:13:10 Bodies (on the left) – 4 1:13:10 Bodies (on the right) – 3 1:13:15, :17, :18, :19, :20, :25, :28, :32, :34, :36, :39, :47(with shield), :52 Persians by Stelios/sword – 13 1:13:16 Bodies (on left) – 2 1:13:30 Bodies (upper right, background) – 4 1:13:42, 1:14:51 Bodies – 11 1:13:59, 1:14:00 Body (on left) – 4 1:14:01 Bodies around Stelios and Astinos are already counted. Bodies in front of the Captain – 4 Astinos decapitated by Persian horseman/axe – 1 1:14:51, :52 Persians by Captain/helmet – 2 1:14:54, :56, :58, 1:15:00, :02, :05 Persians by Captain/sword – 7 1:15:02 Persian’s body twisted/broken by Captain – 1 1:15:02, :04 Persians by Spartans (background) – 2 Chapter total: 136
Chapter 26: Trickster in True Form Theron by Gorgo/sword - 1 Chapter total: 1
Credits “Shadow Puppets” Animation “Shadow Puppets” is what Zack Snyder described this in the commentary; the idea was taken from Indonesian shadow theater.) 1:49:00, :12, :14, :19, :43, 1:50:14, :34, :50 Kills by spear or sword - 7 1:50:27, :30, :38 Bodies falling off cliff – 8 Chapter total: 15
Character breakdown
Butler/Leonidas breakdown: Messenger kicked into well by Leonidas – 1 47:12, :27, :31, :33(on left in background), :41, :58, 48:00, :05, :12, :20, Persians by Leonidas/spear – 10 48:28 Persian by Leonidas/spear thrown – 1 48:35, :37, :44, :47(maimed, mortal wound), :51, 49:07 Persians by Leonidas/sword - 6 49:41, :47, :50 Persians by Leonidas/sword/pushed off cliff – 3 52:30 Persian horseman by Leonidas/spear - 1 1:03:16, :31, :40, :42, 1:04:43, :47 Immortals by Leonidas/spear or sword – 6 1:06:56 Uber Immortal decapitated by Leonidas/sword – 1 1:09:33 Persian by Leonidas/spear – 1 Character total: 30
Regan/Captain breakdown: 12:49 Bodyguard by Captain/sword – 1 47:12, :55 Persians by Captain/spear – 2 55:40, :46, 56:59 Persian by Captain/spear – 3 1:03:21, 1:04:00 Immortals by Captain/spear or sword – 2 1:14:51, :52 Persians by Captain/helmet – 2 1:14:54, :56, :58, 1:15:00, :02, :05 Persians by Captain/sword – 7 1:15:02 Persian’s body twisted/broken by Captain – 1 1:40:42, :52, :53, 1:41:05 Persians by Captain/sword – 4 1:40:43 Persian by Captain/hurled shield - 1 Character total: 23
Fassbender/Stelios breakdown: 47:35 Persians by Stelios/sword – 1 52:18 Persian horseman by Stelios/spear – 1 1:07:45, :48, :49, :50 Immortals by Stelios/spear – 4 1:11:23,:26(one on left, one on right) Persians by Stelios/explosion – 3 1:13:15, :17, :18, :19, :20, :25, :28, :32, :34, :36, :39, :47(with shield), :52 Persians by Stelios/sword – 13 Xerxes’ emissary by Stelios/spear – 1 Character total: 23
Wisdom/Astinos breakdown: 47:36, :43 Persians by Astinos/spear - 2 1:03:56, :57, 1:04:04 Immortals by Astinos/sword – 3 1:04:04 Immortal by Astinos/spear or sword – 1 1:12:40, :42, :45, :48, :50, :51, :54, :58, 1:13:03, :06, :09, :17, :20, :22, :26, :29, :39, :47, :52 Persians by Astinos/sword – 18 1:13:02 Persian maimed by Astinos/sword (mortal hit) – 1 Character total: 25
Wenham/Dilios breakdown: 47:16, :38 Persians by Dilios/spear or sword – 2 1:03:56, 1:04:21 Immortal by Dilios/sword – 2 1:04:22 Immortal by Dilios/edge of shield - 1 Character total: 5
Pleavin/Daxos breakdown: 1:07:14, :22, :23, :26, :30 Immortals by Daxos/spear – 5 Character total: 5
Headey/Gorgo breakdown: Theron by Gorgo/sword - 1 Character total: 1
I’ve tried my best to find all the individual kills of the characters above. The helmets made it a little difficult, although they did have individual characteristics that distinguished them from others. Astinos had straight dark hair that was shorter than Stelios’, who had fine, longish blond hair, while Captain had coarse, steel-grey hair. Dilios had short hair covered by his helmet (and how can I forget that face from LotR?). Leonidas was the easiest with that big horsehair crest on his helmet.
If I’ve missed anything, any corrections or additions are welcome.
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