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Movie Body Counts Boards :: Boards :: Finished Counts :: Batman Begins Author Topic: Batman Begins (Read 593 times) Amie Full Member member is offline Joined: Nov 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 229 Batman Begins « Thread Started on Nov 30, 2005, 8:18am » I googled "Batman Begins Body count" and didn't come up with definite numbers, so I'll take the plunge and use this movie as my first project (since I have the DVD, I thought I had Riddick but I can't find it. I'll do Riddick later if no one else does). This is going to be a hard one because there really wasn't a lot of blood to indicate death in some scenes... just bodies falling down after a hit. I will assume that the Keysi that Batman used is meant for fatal wounding (after watching the behind the scenes) and I'll count every man he brings down in hand-to-hand combat as a kill. (Feel free to dispute me on this ) Off the top of my head, the first two deaths are his parents. Parents-2 I'll be posting more as I go along. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged JenGe Administrator member is offline Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,443 Location: Surfing the internet... Re: Batman Begins « Reply #1 on Nov 30, 2005, 12:13pm » Quote: and I'll count every man he brings down in hand-to-hand combat as a kill. (Feel free to dispute me on this ) That sounds fine to me. I'm sure that "anit-fans" won't like it though. No problem. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Webmaster: MovieBodyCounts.com | Equilibrium Fansite | JD Foust Designs Amie Full Member member is offline Joined: Nov 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 229 Re: Batman Begins « Reply #2 on Nov 30, 2005, 8:20pm » Um, what's "anit-fans" Jen? I've never heard of it. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged JenGe Administrator member is offline Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,443 Location: Surfing the internet... Re: Batman Begins « Reply #3 on Nov 30, 2005, 8:41pm » Quote: Um, what's "anit-fans" Jen? I've never heard of it. Not really surprising since I actually coined the term myself. An "anti-fan" is the exact opposite of a fanboy/girl. You see them all the time on film message boards. They are just as radical, blinded, and bias as any fanboy/girl just on the other side of the same coin. They will fight to the death to destroy a given film while the fanboys/girls do the same to defend it. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Webmaster: MovieBodyCounts.com | Equilibrium Fansite | JD Foust Designs Amie Full Member member is offline Joined: Nov 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 229 Re: Batman Begins « Reply #4 on Dec 1, 2005, 2:08pm » BATMAN BEGINS BODY COUNT Director: Christopher Nolan Actors: Christian Bale, Liam Neeson, Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman, Katie Holmes MPAA RATING: Rated PG-13 for intense action violence, disturbing images and some thematic elements. GENRE: Action / Adventure / Crime / Fantasy / Thriller BODY COUNTS: Entire Film: 18 BATMAN (Christian Bale): 4 TRAGEDY (SCENE4) - 2 (parents) THIS HOUSE (SCENE6) - 1 (Joe Chill) MONASTERY MAYHEM (SCENE11) - 11 (Ra's al Ghul by BATMAN, 10 ninjas by fire blasts DO I LOOK LIKE A COP? (SCENE23) - 1 (Rachel's boss Finch) CATCHING A TRAIN (SCENE35) - 2 (ninjas going over rail by BATMAN) NOT KILL BUT NOT SAVE (SCENE36) – 1 (Henri Ducard by BATMAN This is a hard one because there's not much blood and no indication of death (after all it's a PG-13 movie). So I took a little bit of a common sense approach and used a threshold of force over which death occurs. Anything under the threshold is not a kill but just getting knocked out. I changed my mind about the Keysi. While it could be lethal, BATMAN's use of it in the film indicates that he does not intend to kill but to incapacitate temporarily (refer to the scene "Secrets of Scary People" where he uses Keysi but does not seem to have killed any of them). I use for my threshold the scene where BATMAN slams the back of Crane's head into concrete steps in "Arkham's Basement Secrets." It obviously didn't kill him so for this movie I would consider that non-lethal force. For the scene in the monastery, then, where the explosions cause ninjas to be thrown back, I would consider that lethal (wouldn't you???). That goes for the scene where ninjas are thrown over a rail. I think physics bears me out on this one. It was a long way down, so I assume that the ninjas met with death. There was another ninja which he grappled and went over a rail with, but the distance wasn't as far as the other one so it's a little iffy, therefore I won't include it. Now, as for Ra's al Ghul and Henri Ducard (who is actually Ra's, but for simplicity's sake I'll refer to him as Ducard), Batman didn't actually kill them with his own hands. But he didn't save them, and although he didn't consider that killing them, I think it's just semantics. Batman caused the fire and he certainly didn't have that sword fight with Ra's with the intention to lose. As for Ducard, well, I would just consider the train one giant weapon. He could've saved Ducard again (as in the first time). *takes deep breath and grins victoriously* « Last Edit: Dec 18, 2005, 12:47am by Amie » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged JenGe Administrator member is offline Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,443 Location: Surfing the internet... Re: Batman Begins « Reply #5 on Dec 1, 2005, 2:13pm » Quote: For the scene in the monastery, then, where the explosions cause ninjas to be thrown back, I would consider that lethal (wouldn't you???). Certainly!! Quote: That goes for the scene where ninjas are thrown over a rail. I think physics bears me out on this one. It was a long way down, so I assume that the ninjas met with death. There was another ninja which he grappled and went over a rail with, but the distance wasn't as far as the other one so it's a little iffy, therefore I won't include it. Sounds good to me. I'm planning to link to these threads on the page so people can see what logic was used top create the tally. Also, I realize PG-13's are going to be more difficult than the R rated ones. Thanks for doing it!!! You guys are doing an amazing job!!! Between these and the new UV stills I'm being kept quite busy!!! « Last Edit: Dec 1, 2005, 2:18pm by JenGe » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Webmaster: MovieBodyCounts.com | Equilibrium Fansite | JD Foust Designs Amie Full Member member is offline Joined: Nov 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 229 Re: Batman Begins « Reply #6 on Dec 1, 2005, 2:19pm » Thanks, Jen! From now on I'll stick to the R-rated ones, then. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged JenGe Administrator member is offline Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,443 Location: Surfing the internet... Re: Batman Begins « Reply #7 on Dec 1, 2005, 2:28pm » Quote: Thanks, Jen! From now on I'll stick to the R-rated ones, then. Well, it reminds me of X-Men 2...when Pyro fireballs that cop and then a few shots later he pops up from behind the bushes... "Don't worry, no one dies in this story, they just get really big boo-boos" -George of the Jungle Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Webmaster: MovieBodyCounts.com | Equilibrium Fansite | JD Foust Designs JenGe Administrator member is offline Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,443 Location: Surfing the internet... Re: Batman Begins « Reply #8 on Dec 2, 2005, 1:36am » The page is now done for Batman Begins... « Last Edit: Jan 17, 2007, 2:46am by JenGe » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Webmaster: MovieBodyCounts.com | Equilibrium Fansite | JD Foust Designs Forum Jump--------------------» Home--------------------» Boards--------------------- Movie Body Counts: Queue- Finished Counts- Low Count Films- Counts Pending- Corrections & Disputes- General Discussions--------------------» Counts Not on Site--------------------- DVD/Video- TV Movies & Shows Counts